No, not the pretty flower variety…
I’m pretty sure I have bitched about this before, most likely in a throw away line in a throw away post.
The thing is with my increased playtime, the increased gear availability, overgeared alts, the ROLFSTOMPA heroics and the LFG Naxx10 must have 5,000 GS and ICC achievement mentality that seems to permeate the game right now, it just seems that every time I enter a raid I am surrounded by…
One Wipe Pansies.
What is a One Wipe Pansy?
Maybe the most common example of their occurrence is the best way to answer that question.
Very Overgeared Arseholes!
Err, I mean VoA. 10 or 25, it makes no difference, although the effect is more pronounced in VoA25.
Wintergrasp is won, again (I think the Alliance take pity on the Horde and offer it up for few hours each day on Aman’Thul… mmm did we just lose it… everyone must be raiding).
There is a flurry of
LFM VoA
Invites are sent out real fast if anyone responds. Bodies to fill VoA are always hot property.
Summons follow the same model, no sooner have you accepted the raid invite than the summon request hits you.
Raid chat is filled with
1 if you are heals, 2 if you are tank. OK, GTG, zone in!
9/10 I don’t have to zone in because the summon came from a Lock inside the instance.
Most of the time these guys seem very professional.
Koralon, here we come.
Easy one shot with the occasional death. I swear sometimes the fire appears under my corpse a second after I drop, but it’s a rarity that I go down, I know fire burns… I am the master of Fire 50% of the time!
Off to Emalon.
We all know it’s a reasonably simple fight.
- Don’t stack up
- Run like buggery from the explosion
- DPS the boss like you life depends on it.
- DPS the Overcharged Minionbe cause your life DOES depend on it.
All being well, 3-4 target swaps and it’s all over.
Now I say “we all know this”, but obviously there are people that don’t. More now than ever. The LFD/Weekly Raid/Emblems of Everything changes mean that some people that were previously happy slaughtering Hogger during their 3 hours of playtime each week can now enter (and theoretically perform fine) in an entry level raid instance.
Entry Level?
Hell yeah! Realistically the bosses have become easier as time has gone along (or gear flowed from the heavens), so this is now a 15 minute entry level raid.
20 minutes if someone took the time to explain the encounter…
What, no one does?
Of course not, everyone knows how to do VoA right! Right?
Let the drama begin…
So the Minion overcharges, “everyone” swaps targets and after 1,2,3 overcharges we wipe.
FFS NOOBS!!!!!
Douchebag1 leaves the raid.
Cocksure the Arrogant leaves the raid.
Ican’tbelieveit’snotbutter leaves the raid.
Ummmm, guys… Did we just lockdown a raid ID after killing one boss out of three, then toss the other two bosses to the wind?
Seriously guys, that was most likely the last wipe we will have, so why not stick around, complete the raid ID, get our emblems then chuck a hussy fit?
Give me a show of hands (behind closed doors)
Maybe even explain the fight 1st, no need to ask for a show of hands, just explain the fight so that those that haven’t done the fight before don’t have to embarrass themselves owning up to their ignorance.
The other night I went in with Gnomeaggedon. Being the good little Gnome I am, I switched targets, I even kept my instant pyroblast as my opener on the Minions.
We get the 2nd Overcharged add down and then silence… Well apart from the /raidquits and accusations of DPS ARE FUCKING NOOBS THAT DON’T SWITCH TARGETS.
But here’s the thing. I saw him go down, as did a few others and we shared that knowledge. I checked recount, yes 2nd one looks the same as the 1st, and that didn’t kill us.
I saw the DPS bolting across the floor to DPS the overcharged… Something went wrong, but it wasn’t for lack of trying.
The strange thing this time around was that the rest of the raid stayed put and we went on to do the bosses sans pansies.
How Embarrassment!
When the last boss fell, about 10 achievements popped up on the screen. There were a few groans, lols and one
How embarrassing!
What? Hunh?
Since when did a 1st boss kill become a source of embarrassment?
The guy that uttered those words was one of the achievers (Gnomeaggedon was another one FYI, I guess the pansies have been around for a while, or I haven’t raided much on Gnomeaggedon).
I checked him out… I’m hoping he was a healer because there was no damage on the board. Still as a healer he was barely above those that popped health stones on the meters.
Still, at this point in the game, when tanks are pulling 3k DPS and many DPS are pulling 7.5 in crappy heroics, there is no great loss in a few of the overwhelmed, under-informed newbies “underperforming”
Blame the Overachievers
I actually question the underperforming bit because experience has shown when you have Overachievers they tend to suck the opportunities to hit the meters. Shaman do this naturally with chain heals.
Anyway, if you are a One Shot Pansy, pull your head in a /raidquit 10 minutes later… at least after the 2nd or 3rd wipe.
I think from now one I am going to ask people that don’t know the fight to join my private channel (xxxSquidlyDoesGnomereganxxx) where I will explain the fights to the newbies out of the glaring veiw of the Uber Pansies.
Why start with the boss the One Shot Pansies are happy to leave after?
Ever done For the Alliance or For the Horde.
General principle is do Thrall last.. that’s the only one people want!
Likewise I would suggest that raid leaders start the bosses from the bottom up. A lot of these raid pansies are intending to drop group as soon as the best boss is dropped… they just need an excuse. So make them wait for it, make them stay if they don’t want to waste the raid ID.
I know the old strategy was to start on the hard boss, if the raid couldn’t down that, then no one got saved and nothing was lost. But times have changed, and so have attitudes.
As BBB says (god I love BBB, and I know I’m not alone), it’s time to bring out the stick, there are already too many carrots!
Gnomer and Out!
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To the elitist neckbeards out there who leave after a wipe, it’s not worth it to them to stay. They’re probably willing to stay for koralon, because there’s still 245 tier pieces to be handed out. But when it’s emalon or archavon, they no longer give a crap, leaving the ones who still need gear or emblems behind in the dust.
It sucks, which is why I tend to leave my Vault runs to my guild.
ViA is easy to understand, I dare say it will get worse when Koloran’s cousin arrives after Megan completes her Arena season and brings presents home for all of us…
But it’s not just VoA, not just raids, not just instances.
It drives me mad in BGS too. A one wipe pansy leaves and some poor sucker enters the battle with 2 minutes remaining.
Actually I think Bear is a bit lienient… Deserter’s buff should be 24 hours, or emblem forfeit.
I guess the reason the raid leaders don’t start with the easier bosses is that they also just want the gear and badges from the top guy.
It’s an issue with an raid instance in which each boss gives different tiers of rewards. Might have been better if the easier ones gave 1 frost badge each, that way people would stay I bet.
Actually I’ll give some credit where it’s due.
I don’t know that I’ve had a raid leader /ragequit until at least the 2nd wipe, unless it becomes a hopeless case after the 1st wipe due to other /ragequits.
Then it’s usually very apologetically… Not sure why they are apologizing for bad pugger behavior.
The example above is a perfect illustration.
The RL called out as soon as the wipe occurrd for people to stay, and when a few left organized for us to do an easier target.
But yes, I’d love it for there was incentive to do more… eg: Weekly raids
sarth 0 = 1 Emblem of Frost, 1 = 2, 2=3 & 3 = 4 (or maybe this quantity)
Naxx. 1 weekly boss = 3 emblems, weekly wing = 2 per boss.
You see Squily is my alt going on main. I will probably never get to do all of Naxx in one go, but if you encourage people to do a whole wing as a weekly quest…
Then I will earn my 5 emblems and get a crack at achievements.
5 emblems for Sarth0 just seems too easy. People being people, it’s rare for them to decide to get a bonus why challenging themselves.
Home delivery or pick up pizza for the same price… Why would I leave the house?
Every raid doing Koralon first is frustrating too for people that still want the gear off Archavon or Emalon.
I’m just starting to gear up Rhii again, and I know she could use some of that stuff, but since she’s not geared yet for Koralon, she’s not likely to see any of it.
It’s crappy design if you ask me, that relegates the previous bosses to being just shard-factories whenever a new boss comes out, because by default the only people who can now complete the instance are the ones who don’t need the lower gear anymore.
Like your Rhiibirthed/Rhiiincarnated Rhii Gnome can use stuff from the other bosses… Especially due to his not-so-secret penchant for PvP.
The PvP gear from 2 seasons ago is still better than the crafted stuff and would fill some gaps while the honor trickles in.
I don’t mind the design per se. It is good when the new boss comes out to be able to wipe on it and not get locked into a raid ID.
I guess it’s the whole guild vs. Pug thing. A guild would continue on for the good of the whole, but a pug will only continue for as long as there is a benefit to the individual.
Maybe VoA should be like VH. You don’t get locked out of the raid instance, you just get locked out of a bosses loot table if you have already downed it.
Then you could make as many trips as you need to clear all the bosses with as many groups as you need…
Either that, or defeat human nature by leading the raid and working from the bottom up.
I like the idea of offerring rewards based upon completing a full wing etc. I’ve been palying and casual raiding since Vanilla (only once have I been full time raider in BC) and it was only 3 days ago I actually saw KT for the 1st time and subsequently got to down him and it was highly enjoyable. We wiped once or twice and everyone stayed which is a huge change from the normal VOA catastophies. As I said, I’ve been playing since Vanilla and, maybe it’s just golden memories, but I’m positive that people used to be more patient and supportive back then when the game was a damn side harder to play and more time consuming. Maybe this is all just the upshot of blizz making all content accessible that small minded, immature types that would have been g kicked in the old game are now the ones dictating. I do feel very sorry for people just starting out as it seems to be getting harder and harder to find helpful and patient players these days.
Were you pigging back in Vanilla or TBC?
If I remember right it was much harder to see end game content as a freelancers, getting easier with each expansion.
I know I had no hope in Vanilla, but got to see a reasonable amount in TBC.
The “regular group” breeds more concern to clear all content for everyone.
That said, I know my regular Naxx (and Kara before it) group would often spend an inordinate amount of time discussion wings/optional bosses and the merits of doing them.
I guess at least we had the discussion.
I wonder if the time has come for more experienced and patient players to take the initiave with pug raids. Run them like guild raids, but fill them with the jaded minority (majority?)
Had something similar happen during a 5-man with my little 71 pally tank. After mentioning at the start that I’ve only tanked a handful of times, but DPS’ed the dungeon many, two DPS quit after a group of mobs (that the frost mage admittedly pulled on purpose) wiped everyone but me and the other DPS. Not a word was said when they left either. The healer even whispered me with an ‘it’s all right. they’re just dicks. it happens sometimes.’
Tree healers ftw. ^_^
Mmmm why is it dicks are responsible for 99% of all abortions…
What is it they say… “Thinking with your dick”. When you are 100% dick there is no hope.
I’ve guided at least one newbie tank through instances (pre LFD). I was a new healer once and got through because tanks were prepared to wear a repair bill to get new healers into the system and the least I can do is return that favour.
Just like DPS, dicks are a dime a dozen!
You know, I think that is the most surprised I’ve been to see my name in like… ever. Just reading one of my favorite bloggers, and then to see a shout out from nowhere.
Big hugs, bud, and remember the immortal words of Clint Eastwood…
“Don’t give the prick the satisfaction, sir” 🙂
lol. We all like a surprise from time to time… Right?
I’m honored to be in your favorites category, it can be hard some times to keep up with bloggers outside of our class/role group… There are so many great bloggers within this group and I’ll be the first to admit that more often than not I am catching up on BBB a month at a time.
But then… Well it’s like a movie marathon… All the best of my favorites back to back…
Pass the popcorn, I’m catching up on The Bear!
“elitist neckbeards” – I love that! I’m using that in a post for sure. Nice post Gnome, glad to see that some folks are still sane in the game.
Krizz has such a way with words doesn’t he.
BTW, I think your appearance on TNB yesterday was one of, if not the best TNB I have had the pleasure of listening to… and I was in the audience (damn shame I wasn’t in your lounge room – I’ll make it down soon to partake in some of the best coffee in the world!)
actually… Having a LAN over the weekend 29-31st if you want to drop over.
In all honesty, I think this was what blizzard designed the encounter to do, since they don’t even pretend (till the next boss) that you should do any first, archavon? way in the back, when emalon launched? look he’s first on the right, the way most people are inclined to go, koralon? look he’s right across from emalon and you don’t have to do anything new to get to him really. They said ‘here, we’ll put these on the way to archavon, just in case for giggles you decide to do him’
if they’d made it more linear and forced you to do the easier bosses first, I think it would have been better, you can usually tell on archavon who could cut koralon or not, and……I mean, people wouldn’t get nearly as upset coming in with archavon down, than they would with koralon down.
Yeah I think they did it for conveiniece and let’s face it, if you are running it with a regular group it makes sense to skip to the better boss.
It also makes sense to wipe on the hard boss and not get saved, so you can try later with a better group.
It’s just a same that people don’t apply the same time:emblem ratio to VoA that they do to the randoms.
One wipe won’t delay to much, at least wait until the 2nd wipe before /ragequitting.
To be honest, VoA has always been the place to spot the One-Wipe Pansies since Emalon was released. It was also always the place with some of the nastiest pugs I’ve ever seen. Very little tolerance for anything other than ‘uber play’, likely because people always expected to be able to get in and out in 15 minutes, and anything worse was unacceptable.
Hmm, sounds a lot like the view of heroics with the random pug tool.
Yep, the breeding ground of the virus currently infecting the heroics
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In regards to Sarth 0:
Our guild really wanted to get ‘of the Nightfall’ and we wanted it the real way. No zerging for us. We tried and tried and wiped and wiped. People started getting tired, so we said the hell with it and ‘cheated’ by zerging. So we got our emblems and our title/achieve. The fight took..what? 75 seconds? The trash is laughable now, so also fast.
If only we had managed a true kill as it was meant to be. But alas, another time perhaps. Sarth +3 is still a tough fight, even for a good team of people who know what they are doing. Good luck getting it to all!
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